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5224985 No.5224985 [Reply] [Original]

Which is better? Photoshop or Clip Studio Paint?

>> No.5224999


>> No.5225004

One is industry standard taught by all major art schools and expected knowledge in every relevant company like Pixar/Disney. The other is only used by weebs or comic artists.

>> No.5225006

just draw

>> No.5225010

CSP by far

>> No.5225016
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You can also draw weeb shit or comics on Photoshop.

>> No.5225029
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Quoted By: >>5225673


>> No.5225032

Ps for more painterly style, cs for more "clean" style

>> No.5225050

Same thing, same ui same purpose

>> No.5225089
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>no liquify
And I say this as a CSP user but seriously the photoediting in PS is BROKEN
like being able to eyedrop the area that you want to edit with tone curve or the whole liquihack mechanics
Or the numbers of color sliders allowing a way stronger control on the color editing at the end

And probably more BS but I don't use PS anymore so I don't know them

But one thing about CSP that I haven't found in PS is that the brush pressure settings, both opacity density and everything else that has pressure control can be adjusted individually for each brush, In PS I'm not able to do so, I can't change the pressure curve, the option is not even here

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Quoted By: >>5225272

>>no liquify

>> No.5225119

CSP feels exponentially better to use and more intuitive so I use it

>> No.5225131
Quoted By: >>5225199

photoshop for more digital feeling. clip studio paint for more traditional feeling

>> No.5225135
Quoted By: >>5225520

CSP sweeps the floor with Photoshop when it comes to lineart brushes. Photoshop is better for painting and coloring.

>> No.5225189
Quoted By: >>5225193

One actually makes use of all your cores and GPU
One is an outdated relic from 2000s.

>> No.5225193

Which is which?

>> No.5225197

I use CSP for sketching and line art and PS for painting

>> No.5225199
Quoted By: >>5225511

I'm dumb when it comes to digital.
Can someone explain me the difference he's talking about?

>> No.5225210
Quoted By: >>5226111 >>5227885

I'm retarded and i love cropping my canvases into a bigger size and only photoshop allows me to do that easily, other software always crops within the original resolution.

>> No.5225212
Quoted By: >>5225236 >>5228238

Can we PLEASE ban this image?

>> No.5225236


>> No.5225268

>One is industry standard taught by all major art schools
Paying for art school instead of just drawing or if you want to pay, hire a private art teacher to critique
>expected knowledge in every relevant company like Pixar/Disney
Wanting to work for x corp so they can make money off your work instead of drawing your own shit and building a following

>> No.5225272

just draw it right so you dont need to use hit like that

>> No.5225278

csp is by far superior in every way. photoshop can no longer compete. Get fucked adobe.

>> No.5225283
Quoted By: >>5225300

if only CSP had "photoshop" key shortcut preset so people could give it a go easier.

>> No.5225300
Quoted By: >>5225625

what do you mean?

>> No.5225315
Quoted By: >>5225393 >>5226262

Clip studio because it come free with wacom. PS is retard first world price. Don't use pirate version of PS for work, adobe have program to know your work legal or not.

>> No.5225393
Quoted By: >>5225440 >>5225444

I haven't heard of this. Could you expound or provide a link with further details?

>> No.5225440 [DELETED]
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You could test by download some artwork, open with notepad. Here some random image I download on Internet, I using CSP.

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Quoted By: >>5226262

You could test by download some artwork, open with notepad. Here is random image i download on internet

>> No.5225478
Quoted By: >>5225528

Photoshop is made by AMERICANS and CSP is made by COMMUNISTS

I'm sure you csp fanboys vote for trump too.

>> No.5225494
Quoted By: >>5227778


>> No.5225507

Photoshop if you need to do a lot of post-processing, especially you're working for someone who is providing a subscription through your job. CSP if you're a hobbyist/freelancer or don't care about post-processing.

>> No.5225511

It's kind of vague, but if I have to guess it would be the brush engine. Clip Studio's brushes allow paint to blend as you put it down in a way that feels "right". Photoshop can kind of do it with its mixer brush, but it's hard to get the same feeling and seems to be way more resource intensive.

>> No.5225518
Quoted By: >>5225530 >>5225563

How come no one uses Corel Painter anymore? There was a period about ten years ago when pro concept artists and illustrators were split between the two.

>> No.5225520
Quoted By: >>5225548

The only advantage PS has over CSP since the new update is Liquify. You can now import PS brush sets into CSP.

>> No.5225528

>Japs are Communists
American education...

>> No.5225530

Whenever I tried to use Corel Painter it would just crash on my Cintiq companion constantly.

>> No.5225548
Quoted By: >>5225564 >>5225630

CSP doesn't have dual brushes or mixer brushes, although Celcys has been said to be working on the former at least. So not quite a full replacement.

>> No.5225563

painter users are hipsters hiding in the shadows, praying nobody makes it cool to use again

>> No.5225564

> dual brushes or mixer brushes
useless features

>> No.5225620

I prefer PS' brushes as they are tailored for manual blending with flow and opacity, while CSP brushes are tailored for their stupid color mixing settings that make these brushes useless if disabled
Now that you can import PS brushes into CSP it doesn't matter anymore, but I feel like the only one who hates CSP' blending engine with a passion, I have no control over the result and there are a million settings to tweak, fuck this

>> No.5225625
Quoted By: >>5228480


>> No.5225630
Quoted By: >>5225677 >>5227479

>mixer brushes
Why do people who know nothing shout the loudest. CSP blending brushes are far supperior then photoshops laggy brushes?

>> No.5225673
Quoted By: >>5226529 >>5228238


I seethe so hard whenever I see this image.

>> No.5225677

This. CSP has one thing hes mad about and is working on the other.

When they come out with liquefy these idiots will find something else to be mad about. Sorry you guys are assmad you wasted money on Adobe lol

>> No.5225777

yet Japan produces more comic and animation then the west cry more fag

>> No.5225782

paint tool sai is better

>> No.5225795
Quoted By: >>5226213 >>5226222

There's a reason 99% of the industry still use Photoshop that isn't the fact that it's industry standard.

>> No.5225812
Quoted By: >>5225914


>> No.5225914
Quoted By: >>5226225

Second Sai does no have Spyware

>> No.5226044
Quoted By: >>5226057

The industry standard meme is rotting your minds jesus christ. Also you know that there are animation studios and freelance animators that use CSP right? Look up the animator Kay Yu and then look at what the Pokémon sun and moon anime was made in.

>> No.5226057
Quoted By: >>5226112

Cope faggot

>> No.5226111
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>other software always crops within the original resolution.
Krita does have crop resizing, have to enable the Grow option in the tool options

>> No.5226112

Right, adobe shills have to cope that their editing software is shit for drawing.

>> No.5226213
Quoted By: >>5226244

...Because they don't know how to use anything else?

>> No.5226222
Quoted By: >>5226244

I think your stats are a little old man. Might want to get some new ones.

>> No.5226225
Quoted By: >>5226239

Yet if you have any brand of tablet's drivers installed you're putting spyware on your computer anyways. Wacom especially.

>> No.5226239

Not on Linux, the wacom drivers and digimend are open-source

>> No.5226244
Quoted By: >>5226323

No you fucking mongs
it's cuz it's still the best lmao stay mad weebs

>> No.5226262
Quoted By: >>5226284

>Don't use pirate version of PS for work
I don't see how they could know anything as you could either remove the metadata from a picture or simply do you picture in PS then bring it in another painting app and save it there

>> No.5226284
Quoted By: >>5226303 >>5226340

Adobe sued Forever 21 for pirating Photoshop

>> No.5226303

this isn't a reply to my post really

>> No.5226320
Quoted By: >>5226344 >>5226348

csp lags like a bitch if i try to paint with a big brush which is weird since every other software including painter works fine. Anybody knows a workaround?

>> No.5226323
Quoted By: >>5226433

Give me a source for your made up statistics please

>> No.5226340

The reason they got caught was because of a whistleblower. If you work for a business and catch them pirating you can report them and get a cut of the settlement:
Now, if you are are sole proprietor/self employed, pirating for yourself then no one can really report you.

>> No.5226344
Quoted By: >>5226429

If you're using a wacom tablet your drivers are fucking with the program. Nothing to do but install user made tablet drivers.

>> No.5226348

CSP isn't quite as optimized for large-scale painting compared to something like Photoshop or Krita, as it's meant more for anime illustration and comics.

>> No.5226359
Quoted By: >>5226365

What software would you suggest for painting? tradfag so generally paint everything on one layer and don't really use much adjustments.

>> No.5226360

Mine works fine and I'm on a shit laptop that barely runs photoshop. There's something up with the guy's computer or drivers

>> No.5226365
Quoted By: >>5228563

Corel Painter

>> No.5226414


Clip Studio if you would like better drawing tools and a better brush engine at the cost of a Liquify tool. Also sacrifices performance during transform and warp. Besides that, the overall customization is a HUGE speed boost.

Photoshop if you prefer adobes baked in keybinds and access to Liquify and more advanced image editing tools. Basic brush engine included. Lazy Nezumi and Coolorus recommended.

Regarding the "industry standard", it doesnt matter. You can easily work on clip at home, photoshop at work.

"What about my brushes!?"
You can transfer your brushes to Clip by drag and drop.

Brush Density = Flow
Opacity = Opacity

You can literally make any photoshop brush because photoshop only uses Flow and Opacity for the most part.

If you like using photoshop cause its the industry standard and that means alot to you, even at home, then use it.

Otherwise id recommend clip but if you already use photoshop and are comfortable, then stay there. If you're looking to try out clip, then move to clip and rip the bandaid off.

>> No.5226429
Quoted By: >>5226430

>CSP users trying to install working drivers

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>> No.5226433
Quoted By: >>5230381

Seethe harder weeb

>> No.5226529

good to know it isn't just me

>> No.5226849 [DELETED]

photoshop and krita is lag af when come to large scale painting, where you get that idea from.
app ranking from fasterst to slowest Medibang>SAI>CSP>KRITA>PTS

>> No.5226859

photoshop and krita is lag af when come to large scale painting
app ranking from fasterst to slowest Medibang>SAI>CSP>KRITA>PTS

>> No.5226860

Depends on what you want to do, but I think Photoshop can do a lot more than CSP.

BUT. Photoshop is a fucking scam. Get a cracked version or use something else like Affinity.

If you have to use photoshop for work, then you have no other choice. But you'll probably be working off a company license.

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are the recent photoshop iterations worth checking out? i've been running with a cracked CS6 for the longest time and i've been satisfied with it, wondering if general QoL could be improved with CC though

>> No.5227479

i could run CSP on my laptop easiliy but with PS i can't use with my tablet because of lag so all i could do is mouse work on there

>> No.5227505

better for what? general use? PS
making comics only? CSP
animation? CSP the fancy version
coloring/shading/rendering? could go either way depending on custom brushes.

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>> No.5227885

CSP does that easily with visual handles.

>> No.5227889
Quoted By: >>5228122 >>5228133

>large-scale painting
>as it's meant more for anime illustration and comics.
Do you know how big you need to make things for printing?

>> No.5228122

Let's me guess. How about 20000px

>> No.5228133

Just plug in your paper size and set it to 350 or 600 dpi.

>> No.5228238
Quoted By: >>5230115

What's wrong with it?

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Quoted By: >>5228512 >>5228595

photoshop and it's not even close. Though if you have no way to use photoshop somehow then clip studio is alright

>> No.5228480

Its called warp transform.

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Quoted By: >>5228515

Holy shit anon your a cuck

>> No.5228515


>> No.5228563
Quoted By: >>5228588 >>5228786

>Corel Painter
Has anyone managed to use this thing for art? For a software specialised in natural looking brushes, they sure look digital and crude to me. I got it at a discount but honestly, most free photoshop brush packs and clip studio's default oils do a far better job of imitating natural media than Painter's ugly hacks.

>> No.5228569 [DELETED]

you realize there's a board for photoshop and photography, why are you even here

>> No.5228588

I'm a graphite artist and I really like their pencils, they work the same. I wouldn't know about their paints though.

>> No.5228595

based and gmi pilled

>> No.5228703
Quoted By: >>5229933 >>5229945

>CSP is you're bad at drawing any need everything done for you
>PS if you're good at drawing
>SAI if you're a fucking lunatic

>> No.5228786

Corel used to be at the forefront of realism, but that was like 15 years ago.

>> No.5229927

PS for painting & CSP for drawing

>> No.5229933
Quoted By: >>5231979

Look at this retard. It is opposite.
>PS if you're good at painting, because it can hide your shitty drawing
>CSP is you're good at drawing, but if your are good at drawing then you are good at painting too.
>SAI for pros, who don't care about what tool he using, just want something simple and fast

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Quoted By: >>5231979

It's opposite.
Read survivor bias

>> No.5230115

its cancerous spam from a faggot who has no other argument against csp other then that tool nobody uses that much anyway.

>> No.5230147

One of them is for drawing, the other isn't for drawing.

>> No.5230163
Quoted By: >>5230476

Does anyone know if there's a way to download assets from the Clip Studio site directly to my PC and not having them import directly to the program?

For example I want this one but the only way to download is a magnet link


>> No.5230381
Quoted By: >>5230387

But you are incorrect though. Most companies have their own programs they use, photoshop is default for retards just getting into the commercial side of things, real companies employ their own programs built specifically for their work flows.

>> No.5230387
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Have any examples to prove your point?
Only thing I know of is pixar and the other AAA animation studios using house built programms to animate and render stuff, but different studios having their own painting programs?
You're retarded.

>> No.5230417

Photoshop is for painting, CSP is for making comics. And for me, PS is better.

>> No.5230476

Did you use pirate version?

>> No.5231571
Quoted By: >>5231589

Krita is almost as great as CPS and it's free, use that

>> No.5231589
Quoted By: >>5231598 >>5231600

Does it have the vector eraser? I'm never ever doing lineart without vector eraser again.

>> No.5231598

Sadly Krita isn't up to par when it comes to vector line art in comparison to CSP, though there are still the basic vector operations like Subtract and such.

>> No.5231600

Holy fuck. This is awesome.

>> No.5231626

Buy CSP.
Pirate PS.

>> No.5231979

people who use CSP literally can't draw
and have to constantly use the anime bases and bgs to make the art for them

>> No.5231991

>people who use CSP literally can't draw

whats your world like where everything is a braindead sweeping statement

>> No.5232010
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No my friend. If you can't draw, use CSP would be hell to you, no photobashing, no texture brush, no overpower image edit to fix your shitty drawing. If your drawing wrong, it will stay wrong and your final work will be shitty.
Maybe if you talk about this trash /ic/ level, then it may true

>> No.5232047

>people who use CSP literally can't draw
I know man. I drew trad for a decade, then drew in PS for fifteen years, but now that I switched to CSP I literally can't draw any more. It's gone. And I became illiterate as well so I illiterally can't draw in CSP either if that makes sense, nano desu.

>> No.5232913

Who fucking cares, just learn both and use whatever is more comfortable. All art/photo manipulation software's UI is inspired by Photoshop anyway.

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